1 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,229 --> 00:00:41,569 make slowly the bazaars your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:44,239 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:47,520 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:51,829 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,410 --> 00:00:56,280 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:04,910 --> 00:01:00,420 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:04,920 take back the night now your 9 00:01:13,570 --> 00:01:07,170 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:15,980 hallelujah hallelujah 11 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:18,060 you should be visited by the Lord of 12 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:20,640 hosts with earthquakes thunder and great 13 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:23,250 noise with storms and tempest and the 14 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:27,210 flame of devouring fire hallelujah 15 00:01:32,779 --> 00:01:30,450 ha ha hey Tim now I didn't know you were 16 00:01:34,279 --> 00:01:32,789 such a Holy Roller the way you were 17 00:01:37,609 --> 00:01:34,289 preaching you think the world was coming 18 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:37,619 to an end well look all around this the 19 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:40,110 world is on fire the gates have opened 20 00:01:46,550 --> 00:01:45,240 that Satanism oh ok ok calm down I think 21 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:46,560 you're being just a little overly 22 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:50,490 dramatic I believe a cow is turned over 23 00:01:55,279 --> 00:01:52,770 a lantern and set a barn on mrs. 24 00:01:57,639 --> 00:01:55,289 O'Leary's property on fire and you know 25 00:02:00,380 --> 00:01:57,649 maybe some people have spontaneously 26 00:02:03,589 --> 00:02:00,390 combusted but I don't think it's the end 27 00:02:05,779 --> 00:02:03,599 of the world I hear tell from our guest 28 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:05,789 tonight that the fires or widespread 29 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:08,580 that they've sprung up all over the 30 00:02:14,770 --> 00:02:10,649 place and are increasing in intensity 31 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:14,780 the earth is on fire Satan has arisen 32 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:19,020 okay okay whatever you say but hey let's 33 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:20,730 go ahead and head back to the KC or our 34 00:02:26,330 --> 00:02:23,640 studios in Vegas and find out from our 35 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:26,340 guest Larry Arnold what's really going 36 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:28,140 on I tell you it's the end of the world 37 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:30,930 as we know it it's the end of the world 38 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:37,920 and I feel alright we should put you in 39 00:02:45,670 --> 00:02:42,540 I was a lounge singer there Tim well you 40 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:45,680 could play drums behind me or something 41 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:49,769 yeah you wouldn't want that we get my 42 00:02:52,979 --> 00:02:50,620 daughters yes 43 00:02:56,850 --> 00:02:52,989 played saxophone for all right whoa 44 00:03:01,649 --> 00:02:56,860 we're getting the band going already you 45 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:01,659 know I have probably had a band in a 46 00:03:08,699 --> 00:03:04,950 couple of our conferences there and 47 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:08,709 Phoenix I'm in late Fred Bell helped us 48 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:12,250 up put together we had that Patrick Mraz 49 00:03:19,259 --> 00:03:15,730 who used to a play with I believe the 50 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:19,269 the band yes and the Moody Blues and Jim 51 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:22,810 Della Toso was in on it and my buddy a 52 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:27,340 blue ocean and I I sang him a couple 53 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:30,280 songs there and then it's all it's all 54 00:03:35,729 --> 00:03:33,430 grand but anyway the night marches on 55 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:35,739 and we've got a great guest tonight in a 56 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:39,430 really fiery subject oh yeah that's 57 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:41,980 right well I'm really I'm really excited 58 00:03:47,369 --> 00:03:45,430 that we were able to get Larry Arnold on 59 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:47,379 our show tonight I've been wanting to 60 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:50,190 have Larry on for quite some time so 61 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:53,730 it's just really really pleased that 62 00:03:59,159 --> 00:03:57,040 that he's joined us now just a little 63 00:04:01,319 --> 00:03:59,169 bit of an introduction for anybody 64 00:04:04,589 --> 00:04:01,329 now Larry founded power science 65 00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:04,599 international in 1976 to pursue the 66 00:04:09,449 --> 00:04:07,120 exploration of 40 in anomalies in 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:09,459 consciousness now his controversial 68 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:12,250 article published in August of 1978 69 00:04:19,949 --> 00:04:16,750 titled meltdown at TMI number two would 70 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:19,959 eight months later be termed uncannily 71 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:22,080 accurate by the New York Times in 72 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:24,970 presage in the future of the nuclear 73 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:26,580 power plants meltdown near his home 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:29,260 where is the author of three pioneering 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:32,050 books the parapsychological impact of 76 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:34,690 the accident of Three Mile Island wrote 77 00:04:42,270 --> 00:04:38,470 that 1980 the Ricci handbook which he 78 00:04:45,150 --> 00:04:42,280 wrote in 1982 and ablaze the mysterious 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:45,160 fires of spontaneous human combustion 80 00:04:49,950 --> 00:04:47,650 now he's regarded by some of the world's 81 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:49,960 experts on spontaneous human combustion 82 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:53,590 and consequently bothers as Larry puts 83 00:04:58,140 --> 00:04:56,440 it as this is a world-class fool but I 84 00:05:00,270 --> 00:04:58,150 don't think so and after the end of the 85 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:00,280 show I don't think our audience will 86 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:02,289 either know Larry has been guest on 87 00:05:06,870 --> 00:05:04,240 hundreds of radio and Internet 88 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:06,880 radio programs now including exploring 89 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:08,110 the bazaar 90 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:11,560 he's also appeared on programs for 91 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:15,360 numerous television networks and he's 92 00:05:20,939 --> 00:05:17,710 lectured all over the place about the 93 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:20,949 paranormal and is has been published in 94 00:05:27,749 --> 00:05:24,490 magazines such as fate 14 times info 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:27,759 journal Life Pennsylvania Association of 96 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:31,810 arson investigators newsletter let's see 97 00:05:36,719 --> 00:05:32,710 what else 98 00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:36,729 UFO annual UFO reports and of course the 99 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:41,919 infamous UFO universe there you go well 100 00:05:49,710 --> 00:05:44,410 you know I remember the day that I 101 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:49,720 purchased a copy of a blaze and and most 102 00:05:53,580 --> 00:05:52,150 people don't remember when it was that 103 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:53,590 they purchased a book or where they 104 00:05:59,730 --> 00:05:56,770 purchase it but I remember I was going I 105 00:06:02,670 --> 00:05:59,740 was headed down the Jersey Shore and I 106 00:06:06,990 --> 00:06:02,680 wanted something to read and there was a 107 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:07,000 used book store that we stopped in and I 108 00:06:12,899 --> 00:06:10,000 believe the only book on the paranormal 109 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:12,909 in the whole place was Larry's book and 110 00:06:20,219 --> 00:06:16,150 it was huge I mean we put out some 111 00:06:26,459 --> 00:06:20,229 pretty thick tones there at Tim but this 112 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:26,469 one was pretty close to 500 pages and it 113 00:06:34,709 --> 00:06:30,969 was hardcover and the price was right 114 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:34,719 and so I purchased it and I I sat out in 115 00:06:40,159 --> 00:06:38,050 the Sun and read that at least part of 116 00:06:44,339 --> 00:06:40,169 the book certainly couldn't do it in a 117 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:44,349 couple of days but it's a tremendous 118 00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:49,270 book and probably the the only complete 119 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:56,259 work on the topic now I want to get into 120 00:07:01,439 --> 00:06:58,810 a couple of discussions here this 121 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:01,449 evening of course we want to talk about 122 00:07:08,339 --> 00:07:04,300 spontaneous human combustion but I'm 123 00:07:12,750 --> 00:07:08,349 also intrigued by Larry's investigation 124 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:12,760 of the Chicago of fire back in issue 125 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:16,360 number two of UFO universe we published 126 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:18,010 an article that 127 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:21,430 Larry did on this topic but I think 128 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:23,230 Larry the first thing I want to know is 129 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:27,070 how did you become fascinated with the 130 00:07:35,450 --> 00:07:32,800 14 phenomena and in the things related 131 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:35,460 to two fires I mean it seems to be a 132 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:40,090 relatively real niche topic here for 133 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:44,170 somebody to explore hi Timothy and Tim 134 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:46,930 it's great to be with you guys you 135 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:48,310 gentlemen certainly have extraordinary 136 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:50,410 credentials to explore the bizarre and 137 00:07:53,550 --> 00:07:52,240 we are honored with this opportunity to 138 00:07:55,590 --> 00:07:53,560 share with you and your audience died 139 00:07:57,870 --> 00:07:55,600 some of the research that we've done in 140 00:08:00,390 --> 00:07:57,880 this as you say niche area of the truly 141 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:00,400 bizarre we're going to be embarking on 142 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:02,770 an examination of an exploration of one 143 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:06,180 of nature's more extraordinary phenomena 144 00:08:13,010 --> 00:08:09,040 that mainstream science finds utterly 145 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:13,020 mysterious and inexplicable as well as 146 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:15,820 unacceptable what does an eccentric 147 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:18,700 phenomenon what caused is introduced to 148 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:20,800 the phenomenon and because and become 149 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:22,270 interested in it was a book that we read 150 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:24,490 in junior high school called stranger 151 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:27,100 than science by Frank Edwards oh yeah 152 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:29,230 and in that book he had a chapter about 153 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:31,300 incredible considerations and he spoke 154 00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:32,890 specifically about a woman named Mary 155 00:08:39,180 --> 00:08:36,040 Hardy Reiser and as we took an interest 156 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:39,190 in how she died supposedly mysteriously 157 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:41,050 by this thing called spontaneous human 158 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:45,640 combustion as with you in buying a book 159 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:48,580 when you went to the shore we never 160 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:50,410 forgot about what we read in junior high 161 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:52,510 school and as we went to the academic 162 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:54,490 structure we would ask our teachers and 163 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:56,260 later our professors in college you know 164 00:08:59,970 --> 00:08:58,240 had they ever heard about this any ideas 165 00:09:04,140 --> 00:08:59,980 nope never heard about it didn't know a 166 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:04,150 thing about it so that kept us curious 167 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:07,150 and when we left College and kind of 168 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:08,800 changed professions from engineering to 169 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:10,810 focus more on the paranormal the 170 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:12,610 fourteen aspects of this amazing world 171 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:15,850 in which we all cohabit our mind brought 172 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:17,440 us back to this thing we read in junior 173 00:09:20,820 --> 00:09:19,540 high school about spong calm and we went 174 00:09:22,350 --> 00:09:20,830 to the Library of Congress to see 175 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:22,360 whether Frank Edwards the author of 176 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:24,040 stranger than science had made up this 177 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:27,190 chapter about mrs. Reiser or whether he 178 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:29,110 based his chapter writing on a real 179 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:31,270 event and I'm plowing through microfilm 180 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:31,840 at the 181 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:34,360 of Congress looking at copies of the st. 182 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:36,250 Petersburg Times and the Tampa Tribune 183 00:09:41,580 --> 00:09:39,040 from 1951 we discovered that Frank 184 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:41,590 Edwards didn't make anything up he 185 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:43,090 reported this amazing story of mrs. 186 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:46,110 Weezer's phenomenal transition by fire 187 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:49,930 matter-of-factly and we thought what 188 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:51,970 would end up being a weekend of of 189 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:53,740 library work at the Library of Congress 190 00:09:58,950 --> 00:09:57,190 in DC has transformed into a decade's 191 00:10:00,900 --> 00:09:58,960 long career that has spanned the globe 192 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:00,910 us traveling the world talking to 193 00:10:06,170 --> 00:10:03,100 hundreds of fire investigators first 194 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:06,180 responders physicians medical examiners 195 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:08,410 survivors and eyewitnesses to this 196 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:11,680 amazing yet and extraordinarily McCobb 197 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:13,650 subject that history has termed 198 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:20,650 spontaneous human combustion and and 199 00:10:27,180 --> 00:10:24,060 okay so now also too I remember reading 200 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:27,190 of course Frank Edwards book but also 201 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:29,290 there was another writer Vincent Gatos 202 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:32,050 I'm sure you're probably familiar with 203 00:10:39,450 --> 00:10:35,980 his work indeed yeah mysterious fires 204 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:39,460 fires and white lights yeah okay well 205 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:43,270 now did you would actually investigate 206 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:45,730 investigate this case I mean did you 207 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:48,310 call the police department or anything 208 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:54,580 down there to confirm yes we we have 209 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:56,050 investigated the research case 210 00:11:01,410 --> 00:10:58,150 extensively our file on the research 211 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:01,420 case is more than an inch thick one of 212 00:11:05,310 --> 00:11:03,070 our critics likes to call us a mystery 213 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:05,320 monger we don't need the longer the 214 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:07,330 mystery here the mystery is real it 215 00:11:12,090 --> 00:11:10,330 mongers itself we have communicated with 216 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:12,100 the st. Pete Police Department over the 217 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:14,760 years as well as the fire department 218 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:17,110 we're actually able to track down one of 219 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:18,730 the two firefighters one of the two 220 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:21,850 first responders who helped shovel up 221 00:11:26,390 --> 00:11:24,160 mrs. Reese's ashes from her apartment in 222 00:11:31,740 --> 00:11:26,400 Saint Pete back in the morning of July 2 223 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:31,750 1951 and as Nelson aider told us to the 224 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:33,850 best of his ability as a as a 225 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:35,620 firefighter with decades of experience 226 00:11:39,870 --> 00:11:38,170 fighting fatal fires as well as 227 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:39,880 conventional house blazes he had never 228 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:43,630 before nor since his his 229 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:45,610 encounter with the myth with mrs. rhesus 230 00:11:50,820 --> 00:11:49,120 Asian remains Mentos fire bento fire 231 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:50,830 scene that anywhere came close to 232 00:11:56,790 --> 00:11:52,390 remotely resembling what he encountered 233 00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:56,800 that day in 1951 and in his professional 234 00:12:02,820 --> 00:11:58,810 opinion mrs. Reeser died by none other 235 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:02,830 than spontaneous human combustion now 236 00:12:11,790 --> 00:12:04,870 what's the only thing that was left of 237 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:11,800 her that wasn't an ash a foot you're 238 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:13,780 pretty close the photographs that we 239 00:12:19,140 --> 00:12:16,660 have of her remains consist of one foot 240 00:12:21,060 --> 00:12:19,150 the satin slipper that was encased on 241 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:21,070 the foot a few pieces of calcined 242 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:23,530 vertebrae and a skull that was said by 243 00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:25,420 the first responders at the time to have 244 00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:26,740 shrunk to the size of a teacup 245 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:29,860 grapefruit or baseball everything else 246 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:34,720 was limited in terms of fire damage to 247 00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:36,250 what was called a circle of death that 248 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:37,870 was no more than about three feet in 249 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:44,460 well now okay the the human body if 250 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:47,620 somebody pours gasoline on a person and 251 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:49,870 sets them ablaze I mean you see this on 252 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:52,540 TV all the time in these you know a 253 00:13:02,850 --> 00:12:57,930 crime shows how long does it take for a 254 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:02,860 body to burn and what temperature must 255 00:13:09,180 --> 00:13:06,850 the it reach in order for it to turn to 256 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:09,190 ash I mean it sounds like something you 257 00:13:15,630 --> 00:13:13,960 would do in a crematorium you certainly 258 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,640 can do that in a crematorium and that's 259 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:17,680 an excellent question suppose in the 260 00:13:22,110 --> 00:13:19,290 context of the subject under discussion 261 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:22,120 in arson murders were gasoline or 262 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:23,890 somewhat their accelerant is used to 263 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:27,250 cover up let's look at the crime scene 264 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:29,500 so to speak by the perpetrator it can 265 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:33,550 take several hours to sort of incinerate 266 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:35,920 the body and yet if you talk to you 267 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:37,870 someone who's an expert in taphonomy as 268 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:40,540 is Elaine Pope or you talk to dr. Walton 269 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:42,490 Marion Krogman as we did who was 270 00:13:46,980 --> 00:13:43,870 involved in the research case back in 271 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:46,990 1951 he was a renowned internationally 272 00:13:51,930 --> 00:13:50,320 renowned forensic anthropologist who had 273 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:51,940 conducted a number of experiments on 274 00:13:56,190 --> 00:13:54,190 what what are the effects of fire on the 275 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:56,200 human body because this is really 276 00:14:00,509 --> 00:13:57,220 important do crimes 277 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:00,519 investigators Elaine Pope will tell you 278 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:02,920 that even in the most severe or some 279 00:14:06,319 --> 00:14:04,810 murder cases there are always parts of 280 00:14:09,119 --> 00:14:06,329 the body left that you could identify 281 00:14:11,819 --> 00:14:09,129 and look within for evidence of foul 282 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:11,829 play stab wounds gunshot wounds you know 283 00:14:16,379 --> 00:14:13,689 severe beatings of the body before the 284 00:14:19,499 --> 00:14:16,389 cadaver was was burned and attempt to 285 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:19,509 cover up the crime evidence in dr. 286 00:14:24,809 --> 00:14:23,050 Krogman x' case he told us that in his 287 00:14:26,340 --> 00:14:24,819 experiments to replicate the kind of 288 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:26,350 damage that was found in Mary Reese's 289 00:14:31,319 --> 00:14:28,810 apartment would require him to burn a 290 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:31,329 cadaver in a retort for 12 hours 291 00:14:36,809 --> 00:14:33,610 uninterrupted temperatures approaching 292 00:14:40,199 --> 00:14:36,819 3000 degrees Fahrenheit in order to 293 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:40,209 fully ash in a body that is much more 294 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:43,240 extreme conditions than that a retort 295 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:46,870 normally fires up the body so to speak 296 00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:49,420 and crematoriums normally the retort 297 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:53,199 temperature is in the vicinity of 22 to 298 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:55,689 2,400 degrees for about 90 minutes 60 to 299 00:14:59,550 --> 00:14:57,370 90 minutes depending on the mass of the 300 00:15:02,189 --> 00:14:59,560 body and then the retort temperatures 301 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:02,199 lowered to 17 to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit 302 00:15:07,319 --> 00:15:03,579 for another hour and a half to two and a 303 00:15:11,819 --> 00:15:07,329 half hours and even at those heightened 304 00:15:14,429 --> 00:15:11,829 temperatures and in perspective molten 305 00:15:16,110 --> 00:15:14,439 rock coming out of a volcano has a 306 00:15:17,819 --> 00:15:16,120 temperature of about 2,000 degrees 307 00:15:20,009 --> 00:15:17,829 Fahrenheit so we're talking high heat 308 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:20,019 here and yet what comes out of a normal 309 00:15:26,970 --> 00:15:23,410 crematorium retort oven is not just dust 310 00:15:28,319 --> 00:15:26,980 and ash but large bone fragments that 311 00:15:30,689 --> 00:15:28,329 are not burdened completely not 312 00:15:32,610 --> 00:15:30,699 completely cow signs which are put in a 313 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:32,620 device called accumulator a fancy name 314 00:15:38,129 --> 00:15:34,930 for a bone grinder can produce the 315 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:38,139 proverbial ash and dust that is given to 316 00:15:42,210 --> 00:15:40,360 the next of kin in the presentation urn 317 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:42,220 so we're talking just ordinary 318 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:44,550 temperatures here even in house fires 319 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:47,350 rarely do temperatures exceed 17 or 320 00:15:51,780 --> 00:15:49,870 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit but in the 321 00:15:53,210 --> 00:15:51,790 research case as in hundreds of other 322 00:15:57,079 --> 00:15:53,220 cases that we've been able to document 323 00:16:00,960 --> 00:15:57,089 you find these experience of 324 00:16:03,540 --> 00:16:00,970 extraordinary heat but relegated very 325 00:16:05,429 --> 00:16:03,550 isolated ly relegated to the body itself 326 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:05,439 surrounding combustibles as in the 327 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:07,480 recent case they were linen on the 328 00:16:13,259 --> 00:16:11,050 daybed near her body stacks of newspaper 329 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:13,269 nearby that did not incinerate we're not 330 00:16:17,579 --> 00:16:15,730 even singed the fire in the research 331 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:17,589 case was relegated to about that 332 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:20,440 three-foot diameter area that consisted 333 00:16:24,329 --> 00:16:22,510 or contained the night before her body 334 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:24,339 and the chair on which she was known to 335 00:16:32,699 --> 00:16:29,230 be seated now did she live in a an 336 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,709 apartment building or was it a home she 337 00:16:36,030 --> 00:16:34,240 did live in an apartment building in st. 338 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:36,040 Pete Florida she lived at one end of the 339 00:16:39,630 --> 00:16:38,290 hallway her landlady pnz carpenter at 340 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:39,640 that time was living at the other end of 341 00:16:43,620 --> 00:16:41,260 the hallway to the best of our knowledge 342 00:16:47,579 --> 00:16:43,630 the other two housing units were empty 343 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:47,589 at the time there was a telegram that 344 00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:49,870 was delivered to mrs. Reeser the morning 345 00:16:55,620 --> 00:16:54,070 of July 2 the western union delivery 346 00:16:57,660 --> 00:16:55,630 person handed the telegram to mrs. 347 00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,670 Reeser she walked down I'm sorry - mrs. 348 00:17:02,280 --> 00:16:59,680 pansy carpenter who walked out in the 349 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:02,290 hallway - you know rappin mrs. Reser's 350 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:05,650 door in hand her the telegram pansy 351 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:08,230 found the the door handle to mrs. 352 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:09,790 Reese's apartment too hot to touch she 353 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:12,040 screamed two painters who were working 354 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:14,260 across the street responded to the the 355 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:16,569 screaming and broke the door down to 356 00:17:21,380 --> 00:17:18,370 discover this amazing fire scene in 357 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:21,390 which mrs. Ruiz's body was and I am an 358 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:24,660 extraordinarily isolated fire scene 359 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:28,270 there were no signs no signs of smoke no 360 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:32,470 signs of smoke or anything correct also 361 00:17:37,950 --> 00:17:35,440 a typical of a normal human fatal fire 362 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:37,960 scene there was no noxious odor present 363 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:40,030 at that fire scene in the apartment at 364 00:17:46,049 --> 00:17:43,270 the time normally burning bodies burning 365 00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:46,059 human bodies have a let's say unpleasant 366 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:49,660 noxious stench to them in cases that fit 367 00:17:54,530 --> 00:17:51,130 the definition of spontaneous human 368 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:54,540 combustion we find either no such outer 369 00:18:00,120 --> 00:17:57,580 rather we find either the absence of an 370 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:00,130 odor at all or the presence of what has 371 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:01,929 been described often to us as a sweet 372 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:05,230 Wetteland perfume like scent at the burn 373 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:10,410 scene now how many cases of spontaneous 374 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:13,120 combustion would you estimate that that 375 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:17,200 there are when we begin our research the 376 00:18:21,690 --> 00:18:19,390 answer to that question was likely zero 377 00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:21,700 because mainstream fire science and 378 00:18:24,810 --> 00:18:23,679 mainstream medicine absolutely refused 379 00:18:26,910 --> 00:18:24,820 to believe that the phenomena 380 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:26,920 could occur so therefore there could be 381 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:28,780 no evidence of it there could be no 382 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:31,570 cases for it however in the research 383 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:33,490 that we have conducted over now for 384 00:18:39,420 --> 00:18:35,920 decades and still counting we have found 385 00:18:41,340 --> 00:18:39,430 500 cases approximately they fit the 386 00:18:43,860 --> 00:18:41,350 definition the concept of spontaneous 387 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:43,870 human combustion some of those cases are 388 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:46,750 unique to our research and really why 389 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:50,230 the mainstream Orthodox believe that shc 390 00:18:56,550 --> 00:18:54,040 is impossible the cases such as mrs. 391 00:18:58,890 --> 00:18:56,560 Reeser dr. Bentley here in Pennsylvania 392 00:19:02,330 --> 00:18:58,900 Helen Conway also here in Pennsylvania 393 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:02,340 and hundreds of cases around the world 394 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:05,110 fit the definition that the human body 395 00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:08,140 is capable of blistering smoking or 396 00:19:13,290 --> 00:19:10,990 otherwise burning in the absence of a 397 00:19:16,770 --> 00:19:13,300 node I know in nearby 398 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,780 external source of ignition which is our 399 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:18,160 definition of spontaneous human 400 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:24,700 combustion now has anybody it seems to 401 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:27,490 me that I heard on the radio many years 402 00:19:34,290 --> 00:19:30,130 ago and I don't have all the details in 403 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:34,300 my memory that someone was walking down 404 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:38,530 the street and caught on fire are there 405 00:19:48,260 --> 00:19:44,160 cases in your files where people have 406 00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:48,270 caught on fire and have been witnessed 407 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:52,480 yes indeed we have many cases we have 408 00:19:57,660 --> 00:19:55,300 two chapters and ablaze devoted to 409 00:20:01,530 --> 00:19:57,670 witnessed cases of spontaneous human 410 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:01,540 combustion this is a subset of the 411 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:02,890 research that we've done into the 412 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:04,690 phenomenon that really irks the 413 00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:07,570 debunkers and the naysayers because if 414 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:08,680 you're going to dismiss the evidence 415 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:11,230 that we've accumulated from the 416 00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:14,890 eyewitnesses both historical cases in 417 00:20:18,780 --> 00:20:16,900 cases that we've been able to personally 418 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:18,790 interview the the eyewitnesses you've 419 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:20,740 got to call all these people liars and 420 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:24,970 that's really risky to do what the 421 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:27,550 witnesses report historically or have 422 00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:31,090 told us personally when they see a case 423 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:34,720 of si si occurring oftentimes the body 424 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:36,730 is engulfed and what they describe to us 425 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:37,910 or has been disco 426 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:41,360 historically as a bright electric blue 427 00:20:46,930 --> 00:20:45,650 colored flame or light we have a few 428 00:20:49,180 --> 00:20:46,940 cases where that light has been 429 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:49,190 described as silver in color golden 430 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:53,630 color bluish green but the predominant 431 00:20:58,810 --> 00:20:56,330 number of cases where the event has been 432 00:21:04,300 --> 00:20:58,820 witnessed this bright electric blue 433 00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:04,310 color is reported in Survivor cases some 434 00:21:09,370 --> 00:21:06,860 of us have more extreme cases that have 435 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:09,380 produced severe third even fourth degree 436 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:13,570 burn injuries to the survivors body 437 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:16,700 either the body is not observed during 438 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:18,560 the process of burning itself on the 439 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:21,290 case of Jack angel from 1974 traveling 440 00:21:27,340 --> 00:21:24,260 salesmen who slept through his severely 441 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:27,350 the severe severe charring that burned 442 00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:30,290 his right forearm he awakens to ghastly 443 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:32,870 that's ghastly athlete yeah 444 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:35,740 you're waking with no pain no sensation 445 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:38,840 yeah what a nightmare to wake wake wake 446 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:43,070 to a other other survivors and witnesses 447 00:21:49,570 --> 00:21:45,050 tell us that they would see the body 448 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:49,580 smoking or they were feel a light heat 449 00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:51,940 rising up their spinal column through 450 00:21:57,670 --> 00:21:55,160 their arms or limbs perhaps and smoking 451 00:21:59,710 --> 00:21:57,680 and Sue's perhaps producing a first and 452 00:22:01,810 --> 00:21:59,720 maybe second-degree burn but they are 453 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:01,820 not standing near any source of known 454 00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:05,330 external fire or ignition that can 455 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:07,160 produce the phenomenon that they report 456 00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:11,810 to us now okay well it sounds like from 457 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:14,120 what you're describing this is an 458 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:17,750 internal process but is it possible I 459 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:21,770 mean I somebody suggested today a Tesla 460 00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:26,300 Tesla's death death right right I might 461 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:27,920 have been involved in some of these 462 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:30,290 cases is it possible that some of these 463 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:32,810 people might have been zapped by 464 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:37,250 external sources we certainly believe 465 00:22:43,420 --> 00:22:39,890 that some of the cases can be explained 466 00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:43,430 or simply we can hypothesize that the 467 00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:45,950 causation for some of the burden cases 468 00:22:49,570 --> 00:22:47,870 that fit the definition of spontaneous 469 00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,580 human combustion do result from an 470 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:51,440 external ignition source one 471 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:54,350 is not known to the victim certainly not 472 00:22:59,409 --> 00:22:55,970 known to mainstream conventional 473 00:23:02,769 --> 00:22:59,419 Orthodox Western science the US military 474 00:23:06,509 --> 00:23:02,779 does have the technology to internally 475 00:23:08,769 --> 00:23:06,519 heat targeted humans at a distance 476 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:08,779 weather that can explain any of the more 477 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:10,370 recent cases of spontaneous human 478 00:23:14,350 --> 00:23:12,710 Western events we're not in a position 479 00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:14,360 to say because we don't have that level 480 00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:16,700 of security clearance but certainly that 481 00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:18,500 technology cannot be applied to the 482 00:23:24,909 --> 00:23:21,080 cases that date from the 15 16 17 and 483 00:23:27,549 --> 00:23:24,919 1800's now what's the most recent case 484 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:27,559 that you're aware of interesting 485 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,710 question the most recent case that were 486 00:23:34,419 --> 00:23:32,240 willing to stake our research and 487 00:23:38,639 --> 00:23:34,429 reputation on is a case that we 488 00:23:44,499 --> 00:23:38,649 personally investigated in Oklahoma in 489 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:44,509 2013 victim was Danny Van Zandt the 490 00:23:48,850 --> 00:23:46,669 synopsis of that case very quickly is 491 00:23:50,619 --> 00:23:48,860 that one of his relatives living 492 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:50,629 next-door noticed some smoke coming out 493 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:54,110 of the eave of Danny's home the home was 494 00:23:59,619 --> 00:23:56,210 locked up at the time another relative 495 00:24:03,100 --> 00:23:59,629 broke into the home and in the smoky 496 00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:03,110 haze of the time we're gonna Larry we're 497 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:04,159 gonna have to interrupt you here because 498 00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,570 we're coming up to our bottom of the 499 00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:07,279 hour break we'll continue this 500 00:24:27,089 --> 00:24:16,980 [Music] 501 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:31,239 now back to exploring the bazaar with 502 00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:33,830 two of the most electrifying researchers 503 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:36,830 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 504 00:24:44,859 --> 00:24:43,129 effectively Anton Swartz welcome back to 505 00:24:47,109 --> 00:24:44,869 exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz 506 00:24:49,810 --> 00:24:47,119 tonight we're talking with Larry Arnold 507 00:24:53,169 --> 00:24:49,820 about spontaneous human combustion and 508 00:24:55,989 --> 00:24:53,179 other mystery fires okay so Larry you 509 00:24:59,169 --> 00:24:55,999 were telling us probably one of the more 510 00:25:00,820 --> 00:24:59,179 most recent cases that that you were 511 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:00,830 working on before we had to rudely 512 00:25:05,249 --> 00:25:03,080 interrupt you to go to our break so you 513 00:25:07,719 --> 00:25:05,259 can go ahead and continue 514 00:25:11,339 --> 00:25:07,729 yeah real succinctly the case of Danny 515 00:25:14,769 --> 00:25:11,349 Van Zandt happened on February 18 2013 516 00:25:17,409 --> 00:25:14,779 we made a trip out to Sequoyah County in 517 00:25:20,499 --> 00:25:17,419 eastern Oklahoma to meet with the first 518 00:25:22,419 --> 00:25:20,509 responders the County Sheriff who is 519 00:25:23,950 --> 00:25:22,429 mystified he used the word bizarre when 520 00:25:26,229 --> 00:25:23,960 it came to describing the fires seen in 521 00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:26,239 mr. Van Zant's home as we said at the 522 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:27,950 bottom of the just before the bottom of 523 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:31,249 the hour break mr. van zant's relative 524 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:34,369 broke into Danny's home and confronted 525 00:25:38,109 --> 00:25:36,169 what he first thought was a trash bag 526 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:38,119 fire in the kitchen he attempted to 527 00:25:43,089 --> 00:25:40,849 shovel up shovel up the trash bag and 528 00:25:45,159 --> 00:25:43,099 get it out of the home when at that 529 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:45,169 point we believe he realized that what 530 00:25:51,969 --> 00:25:47,529 he was about to shovel up was not a 531 00:25:55,210 --> 00:25:51,979 burning bag of trash but was mr. Van 532 00:25:57,969 --> 00:25:55,220 Zandt himself the first responders 533 00:26:00,159 --> 00:25:57,979 arrived within minutes to a fire scene 534 00:26:01,469 --> 00:26:00,169 where there was no fire for them to put 535 00:26:05,349 --> 00:26:01,479 out 536 00:26:07,479 --> 00:26:05,359 we also saintly the burn damage was 537 00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:07,489 relegated almost wholly to mr. Van Zandt 538 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:11,840 himself that a Bunker's of spontaneous 539 00:26:15,639 --> 00:26:13,849 human combustion inve the following 540 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:15,649 arguments in the research case that 541 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:19,190 involved dr. Krogman where he was had 542 00:26:22,509 --> 00:26:20,690 done experiments burning the body of 543 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:22,519 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit to completely 544 00:26:27,099 --> 00:26:25,369 ashen it he such as he said such fire 545 00:26:29,229 --> 00:26:27,109 scenes were impossible had he not 546 00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,239 personally investigated the the research 547 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:30,799 case he would have dismissed it as a 548 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:31,330 hoax 549 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:34,010 dr. Adelson a medical examiner 550 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:36,050 claims that all photographs that 551 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:39,410 purportedly depict localized holy ash 552 00:26:45,790 --> 00:26:41,690 and fire scenes involving human beings 553 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:45,800 are hoaxes dr. Benecke is like dr. 554 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:47,690 Krogman himself a world-renowned 555 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:50,330 forensic biologist claims emphatically 556 00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:53,330 that there was no case ever in history 557 00:26:58,780 --> 00:26:56,360 in which internal organs are burned more 558 00:27:01,930 --> 00:26:58,790 severely than our external body parts 559 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:01,940 ergo spontaneous human combustion cannot 560 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:04,880 happen and we mentioned earlier Alain 561 00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:06,890 Pope who's who's an expert in taphonomy 562 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:09,320 who says that even in the most severe 563 00:27:14,350 --> 00:27:11,570 human burn cases there's always evidence 564 00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:14,360 left for analysis bone fragments or 565 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:16,670 organs and so on or left behind so this 566 00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:18,410 brings us back now to the fire scene 567 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:20,120 that the first responders found in the 568 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:22,070 home of Danny Van Zandt in eastern 569 00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:25,730 Oklahoma what mr. Van Zandt left him is 570 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:30,620 very localized fire was his head his 571 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:37,010 shoulders his hands his feet and his 572 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:42,530 heart no no there's Morgan that was it 573 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:45,650 no other organs remained at the fire 574 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,710 scene they were consumed so immediately 575 00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:50,720 the van zant 576 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:53,960 case alone belies all the opposition 577 00:28:00,330 --> 00:27:57,050 that the debunkers inveigh against the 578 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:00,340 reality of spontaneous human combustion 579 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,110 the fire at the van zant scene was very 580 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:04,640 much like the fire that consumed dr. 581 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:06,290 Bentley here in Pennsylvania back in 582 00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:09,170 1966 one of the classic cases basically 583 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:11,030 dr. Bentley is the poster child for 584 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:13,660 spontaneous human combustion fire scenes 585 00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:17,330 mr. Van Zandt fire consumed his body 586 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:19,550 aside from the parts that that we just 587 00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:21,170 mentioned were left behind to prove that 588 00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:26,020 the ashes once belonged to a human being 589 00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,540 the ceiling directly above the fire that 590 00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:31,760 consumed mr. Van Zandt was pristine 591 00:28:37,540 --> 00:28:35,720 there was no flame damage to it the 592 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:37,550 first responders looked for an external 593 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:39,710 ignition source they looked for the 594 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:43,730 nearby stove oven to be turned on it was 595 00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:47,840 not there was just no external ignition 596 00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:49,820 source identifiable that could explain 597 00:28:54,130 --> 00:28:51,980 the tremendous destruction to mr. Van 598 00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:54,140 Zandt in the eyes of the first 599 00:29:01,600 --> 00:28:59,390 responders the sheriff was brave and 600 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:01,610 bold enough to state that this could be 601 00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:03,590 a case of spontaneous human combustion 602 00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:05,150 he was not willing to rule out that 603 00:29:11,769 --> 00:29:07,870 possibility as a law-enforcement 604 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:11,779 official for which he took a tremendous 605 00:29:16,419 --> 00:29:13,970 amount of heat online not surprisingly 606 00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:16,429 you know this room sheriff in eastern 607 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:18,020 Oklahoma what the hell would he know 608 00:29:22,139 --> 00:29:19,880 well what did a button what what the 609 00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:22,149 naysayers and and and those who 610 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:25,429 attempted to insult the sheriff's 611 00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:27,289 reputation did not know was that before 612 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:30,230 he became sheriff of Muldrow County he 613 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:32,090 had spent 20 years as an arson 614 00:29:37,630 --> 00:29:35,450 investigator he knew what to look for at 615 00:29:40,029 --> 00:29:37,640 a fire scene he knew what to expect to 616 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:40,039 see at a fire scene and the fire scene 617 00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:41,870 that he and his colleagues encountered 618 00:29:46,269 --> 00:29:44,600 in the vans and home bolide everything 619 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:46,279 that all of them were trying to 620 00:29:59,919 --> 00:29:57,310 so circling back around to a question 621 00:30:04,060 --> 00:29:59,929 that that Tim Beckley had asked earlier 622 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:04,070 in the program about people who have 623 00:30:10,690 --> 00:30:07,549 witnessed apparent spontaneous human 624 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:10,700 combustion at the the reports that I 625 00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:17,110 have I have read state that somebody 626 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:21,559 will just burst into flames with no 627 00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:24,770 apparent source they'll be covered in 628 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:28,580 flames almost instantly and the fire is 629 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,090 very resistant to be put out using 630 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:33,919 conventional methods I know there was 631 00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:36,350 one case where they tried pouring water 632 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:39,710 on on this woman and it just only it 633 00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,850 seemed only to make the fire even hotter 634 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:45,679 they finally were able to put her out by 635 00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:48,350 smothering her with a blanket but even 636 00:30:57,549 --> 00:30:54,020 at that point it was too late so is this 637 00:31:01,240 --> 00:30:57,559 something that seems to be coming from 638 00:31:02,289 --> 00:31:01,250 inside you know the fire the fire within 639 00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,299 I know you were saying that a lot of 640 00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:03,919 these you know reports seem to indicate 641 00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:08,799 that the the internal organs are 642 00:31:13,270 --> 00:31:11,000 completely burnt which is something that 643 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:13,280 you don't normally see in a conventional 644 00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:14,299 to say like that you know somebody 645 00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:20,840 killed on a house fire that's correct we 646 00:31:26,409 --> 00:31:24,230 we we look at both internal sources for 647 00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:26,419 these incredible human incinerations as 648 00:31:31,539 --> 00:31:29,630 well as external factors internally 649 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:31,549 we're looking at things like can 650 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,590 biochemistry produce the kind of heat 651 00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:35,840 necessary to consume a body to the this 652 00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,750 extent in our book ablaze we postulate 653 00:31:43,659 --> 00:31:40,880 dozens of biochemical means by which 654 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:43,669 this might happen we think many of these 655 00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:46,370 fires can best be explained as a bio 656 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:49,150 electrical or quasi electrical 657 00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:52,370 phenomenon because so many of the boss 658 00:31:58,419 --> 00:31:54,919 bodies and in the in the truly classic 659 00:32:01,659 --> 00:31:58,429 cases of shc missus reserve Danny Van 660 00:32:04,419 --> 00:32:01,669 Zandt dr. Bentley for example well the 661 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:04,429 body is completely ashen dehydrated it 662 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:06,169 appears to us whatever is the mechanism 663 00:32:10,299 --> 00:32:08,450 internal to the body or external to the 664 00:32:12,730 --> 00:32:10,309 body but not recognized or known by 665 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:12,740 mainstream Western science we had to 666 00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:14,570 dissociate the water molecule we had to 667 00:32:23,620 --> 00:32:17,059 break it down into hydrogen and oxygen 668 00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:23,630 and maybe hydroxyl ions the the water 669 00:32:31,299 --> 00:32:28,070 the the water in the body and most human 670 00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:31,309 bodies are about 70 75 percent water to 671 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:33,169 completely dehydrate the body we have to 672 00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:35,090 break break apart that water molecule by 673 00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:37,700 some means by Offutt alice's 674 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:40,340 bioelectricity something that happens at 675 00:32:44,919 --> 00:32:41,929 the quantum level at the subcortical 676 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:44,929 'evil perhaps but that has you know 677 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:46,610 whatever the mechanism is has to explain 678 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:48,710 how the water basically evaporates 679 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:53,450 becomes vapour well we're getting a lot 680 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:55,940 of questions and I know that that Tim 681 00:33:02,169 --> 00:32:58,730 wants to ask about the Great Chicago 682 00:33:05,289 --> 00:33:02,179 Fire but let me just ask Karen on skype 683 00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:05,299 wants to know are there any countries 684 00:33:12,029 --> 00:33:09,020 that have a larger than normal reported 685 00:33:14,169 --> 00:33:12,039 cases of spontaneous human combustion 686 00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:14,179 wonderful question thank you very 687 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:15,100 insightful yes 688 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,289 the answer as far as we know is yes we 689 00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:18,880 had the greatest preponderance of cases 690 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:20,500 that fit the definition of spontaneous 691 00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:22,090 human combustion in the United Kingdom 692 00:33:28,350 --> 00:33:26,080 Wales Scotland England may be a factor 693 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:28,360 because the British press are more prone 694 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:31,270 to report the sensational aspects of 695 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,580 such cases which is how we find out 696 00:33:40,169 --> 00:33:36,880 about them it may be also because 697 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:40,179 there's something telluric ly energetic 698 00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:42,690 about that particular part of the planet 699 00:33:49,649 --> 00:33:47,080 what we have done in our book ablaze is 700 00:33:51,539 --> 00:33:49,659 document the astounding discovery that 701 00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:51,549 we made and plotting all the cases that 702 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:54,280 we know about of mysterious fires to 703 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:56,770 property and to people and to animals 704 00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:58,690 that have occurred in the United Kingdom 705 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,840 on a map and we have discovered that 706 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:04,240 about 83 percent of these cases of 707 00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:08,530 extremely rare phenomena fires can be 708 00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:11,379 connected by straight alignments which 709 00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,780 brings immediately to mind the concept 710 00:34:19,859 --> 00:34:15,760 of ley lines that connect megalithic and 711 00:34:21,899 --> 00:34:19,869 sacred sites these ley lines and what we 712 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:21,909 call the fire lanes the alignments of 713 00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:24,250 fire phenomena do not superimpose but we 714 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,080 think you were dealing with a similar 715 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:28,419 concept here different types of energy 716 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:31,480 flows in them in the planet that if 717 00:34:35,609 --> 00:34:33,490 you're in the right place if you will at 718 00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:35,619 the wrong time on one of these points of 719 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:39,700 energy discharges your home or your body 720 00:34:49,230 --> 00:34:45,040 can spontaneously combust alright well 721 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:49,240 so and and there's it real quick here we 722 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:52,090 have two two questions that are you know 723 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:54,100 it kinda long the same lines Mike K 724 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:55,750 wants to know you know could some of 725 00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:57,430 these incidents be biological warfare 726 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:00,670 such as blistering agents flesh burning 727 00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:03,190 gas and then Troy on Twitter wants to 728 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:05,320 know did any of these people have maybe 729 00:35:09,390 --> 00:35:07,750 a medical design device such as a 730 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:09,400 pacemaker or something like that 731 00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:16,750 don't say that let's go to the last one 732 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:20,440 first medical devices not to our 733 00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:23,890 knowledge we preface that answer with 734 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:26,710 with the observation that is incredibly 735 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:28,870 difficult not only to investigate 736 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:30,790 these cases because many authorities 737 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:32,470 really want to cover up these fire 738 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:34,660 scenes rather than discuss them honestly 739 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,670 and openly with an outside investigators 740 00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:39,520 such as ourself so it's very difficult 741 00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:41,020 to get the kind of information that 742 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:42,580 would even give us the answer to that 743 00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:44,530 question but in the cases that we've 744 00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:46,900 been able to you know get inside the 745 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:48,700 cases so to speak we don't know of any 746 00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:51,550 instances where a medical device could 747 00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:55,870 be connected to the fire event itself to 748 00:36:02,190 --> 00:35:58,750 the former question burning agent 749 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,200 certainly we you know our military has 750 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:04,390 access to burn agents that can do this 751 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:07,630 for my distance we mentioned earlier 752 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,120 about the US Army having the technology 753 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:13,260 to induce thermal heating in an 754 00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:15,550 individual at some distance from the 755 00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:20,590 device itself but these are not 756 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:23,320 instances that we have any reason to 757 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:26,260 believe would be associated with with 758 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:30,070 the general historical database of shc 759 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:32,410 we can't imagine those devices being you 760 00:36:36,810 --> 00:36:34,270 know present for Danny Van Zant's 761 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:36,820 burning for example and certainly those 762 00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:40,090 devices cannot be involved in the cases 763 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:43,480 that date back 100 200 years even 50 764 00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:49,330 years ago well you know I did want to 765 00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:52,260 pardon the expression grill you on the 766 00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:55,870 the article that you did back I think it 767 00:37:01,230 --> 00:36:58,930 was in the early 1980s for a beautiful 768 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:01,240 universe which I was editing that 769 00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:03,850 article has always fascinated me and I 770 00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:08,950 was rereading it today mrs. O'Leary's 771 00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:14,620 cow was a course accused of setting the 772 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:20,350 entire city of Chicago ablaze at least 773 00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:23,470 that's what history tells us but often 774 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:26,680 history tells us it gives us incorrect 775 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:30,850 information now I was startled to learn 776 00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:33,910 and I did not know this before reading 777 00:37:42,779 --> 00:37:38,380 your your article that Chicago was not 778 00:37:47,579 --> 00:37:42,789 the only city in that area of the 779 00:37:49,019 --> 00:37:47,589 country that had caught on fire and you 780 00:37:51,209 --> 00:37:49,029 couldn't blame certainly the other 781 00:37:58,799 --> 00:37:51,219 incidents if you could blame the one in 782 00:38:00,959 --> 00:37:58,809 Chicago on mrs. O'Leary's cow can you 783 00:38:05,789 --> 00:38:00,969 give us a little summation I know it's a 784 00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,799 quite a long historical event but can 785 00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:08,079 you clue us in when did the Chicago fire 786 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:10,619 actually take place and how widespread 787 00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:14,049 wasn't and I was even more shocked to 788 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:16,599 learn that in one town I believe in 789 00:38:24,359 --> 00:38:20,049 Wisconsin that fifteen hundred people 790 00:38:27,209 --> 00:38:24,369 were incinerated by the fire that broke 791 00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:27,219 out there but you - you tell the tale 792 00:38:33,059 --> 00:38:30,939 because you tell it very well it's a 793 00:38:34,589 --> 00:38:33,069 fascinating tale and it's one that we 794 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:34,599 don't have time to pull to cover in the 795 00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:36,130 remaining minutes of the show but we'll 796 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:38,799 give it a shot - your first question the 797 00:38:45,779 --> 00:38:41,410 Chicago Fire occurred on Sunday evening 798 00:38:48,149 --> 00:38:45,789 October 8 1871 and as you correctly 799 00:38:50,459 --> 00:38:48,159 point out it's attributed to mrs. 800 00:38:52,229 --> 00:38:50,469 O'Leary's cow but that is not factual 801 00:38:55,259 --> 00:38:52,239 that is the myth that many people 802 00:38:58,499 --> 00:38:55,269 believe to this day mrs. O'Leary's cow 803 00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,509 was exonerated from any culpability of 804 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:01,599 the Greater Chicago fire by none other 805 00:39:06,659 --> 00:39:03,640 than the City Fire Marshal mr. Williams 806 00:39:08,759 --> 00:39:06,669 himself his men had responded to the 807 00:39:11,099 --> 00:39:08,769 O'Leary cowshed they had that fire under 808 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:11,109 control when he said to our surprise we 809 00:39:15,419 --> 00:39:12,729 were informed at a church over two 810 00:39:17,459 --> 00:39:15,429 blocks to the north was on fire his crew 811 00:39:19,979 --> 00:39:17,469 responded to that fire and put it out 812 00:39:22,799 --> 00:39:19,989 then there was another than another than 813 00:39:24,569 --> 00:39:22,809 another clearly they were now being out 814 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:24,579 manned by these spontaneous 815 00:39:32,819 --> 00:39:26,890 well my fires that broke out in multiple 816 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:32,829 parts of the city as you correctly 817 00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:36,400 remember Timothy and what is not known 818 00:39:41,819 --> 00:39:38,619 is not part of the mythology of the 819 00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,829 Leary kal saga is that two hundred and 820 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:43,839 twenty miles north of Chicago and a 821 00:39:49,469 --> 00:39:46,209 community called Peshtigo in Wisconsin 822 00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:49,479 at the very same time that Chicago was 823 00:39:54,269 --> 00:39:51,880 beginning to burn Peshtigo was likewise 824 00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:54,279 going up in flames which I'm with a much 825 00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:55,630 larger loss of 826 00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:59,820 1,500 people died in the Peshtigo fire 827 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:02,800 but the fire wasn't limited to Peshtigo 828 00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:06,550 and to Chicago that night of October 8 829 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:08,790 there were fires that were erupting 830 00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:10,090 separately 831 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:12,520 yes simultaneously throughout the Upper 832 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:15,370 Midwest and the Upper Great Plains from 833 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:19,530 Minnesota to Wisconsin Illinois Michigan 834 00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:23,710 Indiana the Dakotas even in the Iowa 835 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,660 there were fires that seemed to 836 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:27,760 spontaneously erupt throughout the 837 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:30,460 landscape throughout communities causing 838 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:33,070 tremendous loss of property as well as 839 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:37,270 of life in terms of today's dollar value 840 00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:40,450 we're probably looking at hundreds tens 841 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:42,340 of probably hundreds of billions of 842 00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:44,770 dollars worth of damage in what we have 843 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:47,470 called the great American Fire of 1871 844 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:51,210 not just the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 845 00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:53,650 there are a number of phenomena 846 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:55,360 associated with many of these blazes 847 00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:57,610 that we found in the course of our 848 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:01,720 research to be quite curious fires in 849 00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:05,200 Chicago were erupting in basements 850 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:07,390 there was a windstorm that night and 851 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:09,490 many of these fires and historically the 852 00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:11,610 myth is that all these separate 853 00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,860 widespread blazes conflagrations even 854 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:16,960 were the cause of wind-borne 855 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:20,410 embers carried from one fire location 856 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:22,450 into another that can certainly be 857 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:24,610 attributed to some of the blazes but 858 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:27,670 over such a huge geographic area we 859 00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:31,240 don't believe so the phenomena was found 860 00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:34,920 in Peshtigo and in Chicago in elsewhere 861 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:37,740 where fires were not only erupting or 862 00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:40,690 the locals at the time claimed even that 863 00:41:47,790 --> 00:41:42,660 the fires were being transmitted 864 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:47,800 underground subterraneous Lee victims 865 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:51,130 were found burned to powder ie 866 00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:55,690 classic sh t type fire scenes other 867 00:42:01,080 --> 00:41:58,390 victims were not burned and yet metal 868 00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:01,090 coins in the pockets were found fused 869 00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:03,670 together we've actually seen examples of 870 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:06,390 that in the Peshtigo Museum in Wisconsin 871 00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:09,130 we find us to be quite curious 872 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:11,560 could temperature's be so hot as to fuse 873 00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,590 coinage in a person's pocket any not and 874 00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:17,520 yet not you know severely burn the 875 00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:22,660 individual him or herself odd colors of 876 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:26,860 fire were reported blue green flames 877 00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,110 which is certainly not typical of a 878 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:31,960 woodland conflagration fire will report 879 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:35,770 it historically just a whole bunch of 880 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:37,090 odd stuff if you dig into the 881 00:42:41,570 --> 00:42:39,250 contemporaneous reports at the time you 882 00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:41,580 saw it what the heck was going on here 883 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:44,680 certainly something that was far beyond 884 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,570 mrs. O'Leary's yeah now now we published 885 00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:53,200 a book a number of years ago called 886 00:43:00,990 --> 00:42:56,140 darkness of the Gods which I was hoping 887 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,000 to maybe update and in the book one of 888 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:03,040 the the author's it's kind of like an 889 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,210 anthology of mysterious fires and things 890 00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:09,040 along this type one of the authors 891 00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:13,000 talked about how the the earth had 892 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:16,660 passed through the tail of a comet and 893 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:19,330 was responsible for this and of course 894 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:24,550 you have other incidences like this I 895 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:26,110 think in darkness of gods we talked 896 00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:31,570 about that Tunguska explosion what was 897 00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:36,460 that 1908 in Siberia and there have been 898 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:37,980 other incidences of 899 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:40,270 mysterious of fires and things along 900 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:43,690 that line in fact there are places now I 901 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:47,050 understand that still exists where there 902 00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:50,950 are entire towns where people cannot 903 00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:54,700 inhabit that area because fires are 904 00:44:01,980 --> 00:43:59,410 still a place underneath the earth but I 905 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:01,990 think those are caused by mining 906 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:04,570 disasters or fires if I'm correct unless 907 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:08,760 you know some other incidents but what 908 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:11,920 yeah the idea that this might be have 909 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:14,850 been an outside source like a comet or a 910 00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:17,530 hell of meteorites or something along 911 00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:21,700 that line the the the underground fire 912 00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:22,750 that you're 913 00:44:26,849 --> 00:44:25,480 to most likely as in Centralia fire it 914 00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:26,859 is a mine fire it is here in 915 00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:28,270 Pennsylvania not too far from the 916 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:29,710 location where we're having this 917 00:44:33,089 --> 00:44:30,970 wonderful conversation with you 918 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:33,099 gentlemen tonight on that town had to be 919 00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:34,570 abandoned because of the subterranean 920 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:36,550 fires but that that's that's a normal 921 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,980 cost state of mechanism everybody knows 922 00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,200 how it happened and that it can't be put 923 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:43,740 out getting back to the the 924 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:46,900 extra-terrestrial if you will source of 925 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:49,810 these fires Ignatius Donnelly yeah back 926 00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:52,210 in 1883 posited that the comet be yellow 927 00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:55,000 was the cause of the chicago fire or in 928 00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:56,640 this case the greater american 929 00:45:02,099 --> 00:44:59,650 conflagration as we term it the problem 930 00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:02,109 with his supposition is that BL s comma 931 00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:04,270 didn't collide or pass the earth didn't 932 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:08,440 pass through the Comets path until 1872 933 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:10,630 more than a year after the Chicago Fire 934 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:12,609 so that's kind of problematic for that 935 00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:15,310 however you know looking all the 936 00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:16,900 evidence that we have a mass for the 937 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:21,369 Greater Chicago Fire of 1871 we do feel 938 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:23,730 that the most plausible explanation 939 00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:26,020 other than if you want to accept that 940 00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,800 the wind-borne 941 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:28,960 ember theory is an extraterrestrial 942 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:33,430 cause some energy source external to the 943 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:35,170 planet itself that the earth passed 944 00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:38,830 through explains the simultaneous 945 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:42,940 eruption of major fires throughout the 946 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:45,250 Upper Midwest that night and when you 947 00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:46,420 open the program with that wonderful 948 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:48,760 biblical quote from Isaiah we have no 949 00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,770 doubt yeah somewhere you could find you 950 00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:52,720 could find some some pastor that morning 951 00:46:02,250 --> 00:45:57,220 of October 8 screaming that to his 952 00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:02,260 congregation little wood I did trip that 953 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:08,099 from your article I must but okay so 954 00:46:15,390 --> 00:46:12,490 extraterrestrial but in what some in via 955 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:15,400 obviously some invisible force then in 956 00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:17,730 fact in this darkness of the gods book 957 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:20,140 we have a section in there there's a 958 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:22,930 fellow he's deceased he passed away in 959 00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:29,890 his 90s I believe commander Alvin II 960 00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:34,720 Moore who wrote a book which a great 961 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:36,580 Barker published many many 962 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:39,730 years ago in about two minutes before 963 00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:42,280 the show us in which he talked about 964 00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:45,700 invisible islands in the sky and planets 965 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:48,580 that could not be seen in fact he said 966 00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:50,170 that some of these that Charles Ford 967 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:52,540 talked about these falls from the sky of 968 00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:55,810 fish and meat and and so forth were 969 00:47:03,300 --> 00:46:59,680 coming from these invisible sky islands 970 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:03,310 that he discussed but anyway Larry we're 971 00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:04,810 down to the last few minutes and we do 972 00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:06,520 want to give you the opportunity to tell 973 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:08,980 people where they can obtain your book 974 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:11,050 and if you have a website and I know 975 00:47:15,450 --> 00:47:13,930 you're on Facebook and you know I could 976 00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:15,460 swore that we had been friends for years 977 00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:19,270 but I work and so finally we click to 978 00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:20,860 each other on but give us a little 979 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:22,660 rundown of what you're you know you're 980 00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:25,330 up to in the future plans perhaps oh no 981 00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:28,870 did we lose did we lose Larry in the 982 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:33,580 opportune time oh well okay well I guess 983 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:35,410 I'll just say you know Larry's own 984 00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:39,310 official web site is Paris science.com 985 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:43,180 and his book is ablaze the mysterious 986 00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:45,370 fires of spontaneous human combustion 987 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:49,420 excellent book monthly and it yeah I I 988 00:47:55,110 --> 00:47:51,910 can imagine the amount of the amount of 989 00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,120 research that went into that volumous is 990 00:48:01,340 --> 00:47:58,480 just phenomenal I mean I anybody has 991 00:48:08,190 --> 00:48:01,350 ever put a book or certainly on that 992 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:08,200 subject together alright anyway visit 993 00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:10,690 our youtube site mr. UFO secret files 994 00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:14,440 and look for us on amazon.com 995 00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:16,350 all right thanks Larry good night all 996 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:30,240 you've been listening to exploring the 997 00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:34,240 bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky panty 998 00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:37,480 Swartz they're taking back the night by 999 00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:40,390 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 1000 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:42,940 search of the truly bizarre and totally 1001 00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,770 unexplained with you as their code 1002 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:49,280 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1003 00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:53,760 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 1004 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:54,950 radio 1005 00:49:00,849 --> 00:48:57,410 for more information on exploring the 1006 00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:00,859 bazaar and hosts Timothy Becca anthem 1007 00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:03,710 Swartz check out their K cor digital 1008 00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:06,829 radio network follow their YouTube